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As you know I am not a big fan of intel. In fact I think that I have stated that I hate them. Well I was wrong. I was wrong in the fact that I did not explain why I hate them, so I will now.

 

1. I have a math toutor/ friend/ computer genius(he is also a phisicist). When it comes to computers I trust him a lot. So when he says that intel makes a bad processor, I belive him! He has stated many times that intel is now making poor chips and that PowerPc or AMD is much better.

 

2. I think that now that Mac has switched to intel, if a Mac user gets a PC then they will think Mac=intel so intel>AMD. This is wrong.

 

3. I just can't forget this.

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hmmm math tutor says intel sucks. K, I'm in, I have been wrong. Intel blows! forgive my misunderstanding. I feel like such a moron.

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hmmm math tutor says intel sucks. K, I'm in, I have been wrong. Intel blows! forgive my misunderstanding. I feel like such a moron.

Are you being sarcastic?

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To say that AMD is better than intel, period the end is just wrong. AMD is has faster chips at better pricepoints and they have the lead on dual core and 64bit chips. However AMD mobile chips are behind Intels mobile chips. So to say AMD is better in a lot of circumstances is defintly true but they are not better in everything. Since Apple is more interested in power consumption and heat than outright performance they chose Intel and I would say rightly so since Intel has better mobile chips.

 

I would say PowerPC chips can't even be in the same discussion since IBM has chosen not to compete with AMD and Intel and so their chips are just not even close. Could they be better? Probably. They could certainly compete but they chose to go after the game console market instead.

 

I can certainly see the Mac=Intel therefor Intel must better than AMD argument but who cares. Apple is supposed to worry about what chip people buy in a windows box? Apple made the best choice based on what they needed. I think it would make perfect sence to put an AMD in the G5 Tower replacement. It won't happen because it wouldn't make good business sense but from a performance stand point it makes sense.

 

This whole idea of just hating a brand is ridiculous. It's like the Ford, Chevy, Mopar argument. One brand is not ussually the best at everything. Not only that, making business partnerships always has much more to it then just what part is technically better. So maybe AMD would be better but they would charge more, or maybe they couldn't meet production requirements, or maybe.... the list goes on and when you start to look at the whole picture sometimes what would appear at first blush to be the technically better chip becomes a much worse choice.

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To say that AMD is better than intel, period the end is just wrong.  AMD is has faster chips at better pricepoints and they have the lead on dual core and 64bit chips.  However AMD mobile chips are behind Intels mobile chips.  So to say AMD is better in a lot of circumstances is defintly true but they are not better in everything.  Since Apple is more interested in power consumption and heat than outright performance they chose Intel and I would say rightly so since Intel has better mobile chips.  

 

I would say PowerPC chips can't even be in the same discussion since IBM has chosen not to compete with AMD and Intel and so their chips are just not even close.  Could they be better?  Probably.  They could certainly compete but they chose to go after the game console market instead.

 

I can certainly see the Mac=Intel therefor Intel must better than AMD argument but who cares.  Apple is supposed to worry about what chip people buy in a windows box?  Apple made the best choice based on what they needed.  I think it would make perfect sence to put an AMD in the G5 Tower replacement.  It won't happen because it wouldn't make good business sense but from a performance stand point it makes sense.

 

This whole idea of just hating a brand is ridiculous.  It's like the Ford, Chevy, Mopar argument.  One brand is not ussually the best at everything.  Not only that, making business partnerships always has much more to it then just what part is technically better.  So maybe AMD would be better but they would charge more, or maybe they couldn't meet production requirements, or maybe.... the list goes on and when you start to look at the whole picture sometimes what would appear at first blush to be the technically better chip becomes a much worse choice.

Intel actually costs more.

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hmmm math tutor says intel sucks. K, I'm in, I have been wrong. Intel blows! forgive my misunderstanding. I feel like such a moron.

Are you being sarcastic?

that comment was dripping with sarcasm :lol:

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Intel actually costs more.

So you know what apple is paying per chip? I understand that on a consumer level you can ussually get more performance for less money with AMD and I in fact mentioned that towards the top of my post when I said "AMD has faster chips at better pricepoints" but that doesn't mean that AMD will be cheaper for Apple. Besides that was just an example of a few of the bigger picture things that have to do with a technology partnership.

 

I am glad someone else mentioned the whole math teacher argument. I didn't address it because I wasn't really sure how. I mean what should I say? I know a physics teacher who says Intel is better? Do I win?

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well nobody really know if Intel costs more do you?

I am absolutly on joshr side of thinking, except for you can certainly hate a brand.

I hate Vodafone, for offering bad pricing and really really bad customer service and I dislike the Windows Team of Microsoft and Bill Gates

For taking so much advantage of their monopoly position.

So I certainly think you can hate a brand, but you can change your opinion can't you? NA di am always open minded for.

:)

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well nobody really know if Intel costs more do you?

I am absolutly on joshr side of thinking, except for you can certainly hate a brand.

I hate Vodafone, for offering bad pricing and really really bad customer service and I dislike the Windows Team of Microsoft and Bill Gates

For taking so much advantage of their monopoly position.

So I certainly think you can hate a brand, but you can change your opinion can't you? NA di am always open minded for.

:)

okay you swayed me with that argument :), I guess you can hate a brand. I was just making the point that sometimes people have this blind hate for a brand when it just isn't called for. Like old school hot rod people who HATE japanese cars and people who love 94 civic hatchbacks but hate an old school hot rod. It's ridiculous.

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It's simple. If you learn about the chips each company makes then you will see that some have good areas and some have bad areas. Intel does things that AMD can't and vice versa. As far as I can see, PPC make chips that are great, but hot and hungry and this doesn't make a good future.

 

AMD and Intel are a judgement call depending what you want from them. I know about both companies technologies and habbits and I would take either one depending what I wanted. For Apple, at the moment, Intel was the only choice for their needs. PowerPC wasn't going to deliver, that was true. If I was going to build a gaming PC though say, I wouldn't even have a choice. It would be AMD.

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well nobody really know if Intel costs more do you?

I am absolutly on joshr side of thinking, except for you can certainly hate a brand.

I hate Vodafone, for offering bad pricing and really really bad customer service and I dislike the Windows Team of Microsoft and Bill Gates

For taking so much advantage of their monopoly position.

So I certainly think you can hate a brand, but you can change your opinion can't you? NA di am always open minded for.

:)

okay you swayed me with that argument :), I guess you can hate a brand. I was just making the point that sometimes people have this blind hate for a brand when it just isn't called for. Like old school hot rod people who HATE japanese cars and people who love 94 civic hatchbacks but hate an old school hot rod. It's ridiculous.

 

yeah absoluty I see where yo are coming from

The argument also goes the other way with, most people in this forum just love everything that Apple does (or mostly) and then when a new product comes out I always have to ask myself, is this just blind love with Apple, that I drool all over the new products or are they actually this incredible?

And I can only always answer: "yeah this is true and reality, Apple just rocks", and when I am not sure, I just compare it to the other players out there, and Apple usually is the winner, (even if my last point is, ok Dell has better machines but no MacOSX)

 

It does feel weird because there are so very few occasions when Apple disappoint and if they do, they usually get rid of these problems at some point.

 

i.e. I have for over 2 years been disappointed with the G4 fixed

disappointed by the small resolution on screens fixed

 

 

In conclusion, always stay criticle and open minded with product or brand. :)

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In conclusion, always stay criticle and open minded with and product or brand.  :)

 

I believe this to be the key to any product announcement and many discussions on this forum.

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As you know I am not a big fan of intel. In fact I think that I have stated that I hate them. Well I was wrong. I was wrong in the fact that I did not explain why I hate them, so I will now.

Get a grip !! It's a computer processor. Just use the damn thing instead of whining about it. I doubt you could tell the difference between a PPC or an Intel processor anyway. Why do people get so wound up about a silicon chip inside a computer ?? :roll:

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to be fair, why do we even care if you hate intel? I really dislike their basic architecture, I play a lot of games, but for what apple are big into - movies, image editing, etc - its a must have chip. those long pipelines within the chips make these jobs fly by...

 

Currently, I have a Dell, P4, 1024MB Ram, running Vista(oh early isn't it...and lovely too...). and inside Vista I have Pear Pc Running Tiger. I also have a MacMini, a FujitsuSiemens Laptop - Pentium M (also with pear PC, but this time with XP installed), and an ibook(g3-900MHz)

 

I love apple, and what Microsoft have done with Vista is great, its still windows however, so what I'm trying to get at is basically, I run OSX on everything I can. its a great OS, and if I can get a torrent of the x86 intel OSX I will install it on all my machines to boot from as a primary(however illegal it is), until I can sell all and buy a new MacBook and an iMac... :D

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I have heard that PPC chips that a considerable amount less input to make them do something, basically they do more with less calculations. I forget if it is 1/4th the amount or 1/4 less (meaning 3/4ths the amount), but it is significant. So a 3 GHz intel chip will be like a much slower PPC chip.

 

I have noticied that my old iMac, at 450 MHz, was faster than any Intel-based (only windows/Linux back then) computer I had used enough to actually judge the speed of... I have not seen any really fast computers (other than the 4x2.5 GHz PPC at the Apple store :D) , but the iMac seemed to be really fast for how slow it was... if you get that. What I am saying is that the difference is noticable.

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I don't know about the less input stuff but you definitly can't compare powerpc and other chips directly based on just mhz. In fact you ussually can't compare any processor made by different companies only using mhz.

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I just wanted to tell you why I dislike them.

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Who cares? As long as it's not slower than the PPC processors, then what's the problem? If you think Intel sucks, then you are gonna have a huge problem buying a new Mac when the time comes because Intel chips are the future chips for Apple.

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Who cares? As long as it's not slower than the PPC processors, then what's the problem? If you think Intel sucks, then you are gonna have a huge problem buying a new Mac when the time comes because Intel chips are the future chips for Apple.

I will buy an intel but that is when all the PowerPcs are phased out.

 

hmmm math tutor says intel sucks. K, I'm in, I have been wrong. Intel blows! forgive my misunderstanding. I feel like such a moron.

Are you being sarcastic?

that comment was dripping with sarcasm :lol:

He is a computer genius. In fact he worked for IBM many years ago on a program that ran on normal computers and supercomputers. The program ran so well on the normal computer that they sent the supercomputer to the crusher.

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hmmm math tutor says intel sucks. K, I'm in, I have been wrong. Intel blows! forgive my misunderstanding. I feel like such a moron.

Are you being sarcastic?

that comment was dripping with sarcasm :lol:

He is a computer genius. In fact he worked for IBM many years ago on a program that ran on normal computers and supercomputers. The program ran so well on the normal computer that they sent the supercomputer to the crusher.

Saying someone is a genius is says intel is bad is a weak argument because:

1. We don't know that person and only have your word.

2. Anyone, even geniuses, can be wrong or make a mistake.

 

P.S. I wonder how many times we can quote a quote here... 8)

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hmmm math tutor says intel sucks. K, I'm in, I have been wrong. Intel blows! forgive my misunderstanding. I feel like such a moron.

Are you being sarcastic?

that comment was dripping with sarcasm :lol:

He is a computer genius. In fact he worked for IBM many years ago on a program that ran on normal computers and supercomputers. The program ran so well on the normal computer that they sent the supercomputer to the crusher.

Saying someone is a genius is says intel is bad is a weak argument because:

1. We don't know that person and only have your word.

2. Anyone, even geniuses, can be wrong or make a mistake.

 

P.S. I wonder how many times we can quote a quote here... 8)

cfs, you need to make your own opinion on stuff. This is the same thing as having the same politcal thoughts as your parents and repeating them just because your parents said them. It doesn't mean that these views are wrong, just decide for yourself and don't just repeat the thoughts of people you respect merely because they are people you respect.

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hmmm math tutor says intel sucks. K, I'm in, I have been wrong. Intel blows! forgive my misunderstanding. I feel like such a moron.

Are you being sarcastic?

that comment was dripping with sarcasm :lol:

He is a computer genius. In fact he worked for IBM many years ago on a program that ran on normal computers and supercomputers. The program ran so well on the normal computer that they sent the supercomputer to the crusher.

Saying someone is a genius is says intel is bad is a weak argument because:

1. We don't know that person and only have your word.

2. Anyone, even geniuses, can be wrong or make a mistake.

 

P.S. I wonder how many times we can quote a quote here... 8)

cfs, you need to make your own opinion on stuff. This is the same thing as having the same politcal thoughts as your parents and repeating them just because your parents said them. It doesn't mean that these views are wrong, just decide for yourself and don't just repeat the thoughts of people you respect merely because they are people you respect.

I agree. Although I mostly posted this to see how many quotations of quotes we can have.

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ignoring the quote o rama going on i decided to chime in. The PowerPC cripled Apple to make anything better mobile wise. Imagine having a dual core chip from a PowerMac in my PowerBook, what would happend. 1 the thign will just blow up in a fiery fireball 2 it will burn my legs and waist in a smoldering coal pile 3 it will burn the power adaptor which will short out the electricity and burn the house down. Ok, i went way overboad but if the PowerPC could get their power per watt where Apple wanted it and it was so fricking hot then we would still have power pc chips.

 

P.S. does IBM use the powerPC chip in its computers?

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P.S. does IBM use the powerPC chip in its computers?

 

LOL, pretty funny post.

 

I thought IBM sold it's PC division, not chips obviously, to a Chinese corporation. In which case, they would no longer use their own chips in their computers because they no longer make computers.

 

-Rob

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ignoring the quote o rama going on i decided to chime in. The PowerPC cripled Apple to make anything better mobile wise. Imagine having a dual core chip from a PowerMac in my PowerBook, what would happend. 1 the thign will just blow up in a fiery fireball 2 it will burn my legs and waist in a smoldering coal pile 3 it will burn the power adaptor which will short out the electricity  and burn the house down. Ok, i went way overboad but if the PowerPC could get their power per watt where Apple wanted it and it was so fricking hot then we would still have power pc chips.

 

P.S. does IBM use the powerPC chip in its computers?

On it's high end ones yes. Also the fastest computer on earth (IBM Blue Gene) uses PowerPc.

 

Can this post be closed? I tried to be nice by telling people why I disliked intel and it failed. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

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