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Hey Guys,

 

I need a laptop, its gonna be a mac that's for sure, but i can't decide if i want a powerbook or a macbook, i mainly use apple apps, i don't use any adobe stuff, so the rosette thing is not a huge issue, but i know for a fact that the macbook renders audio and video in garageband and imovie about half as fast and the powerbooks (has something to do with a feature of the G4) and i am all about audio and video, i just don't have the money to get anything other than iLife. I may buy pro tools in a few years, but it should be universal by then. What do you guys think

 

Thanks

 

In Christ

 

Max

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I think definitely go intel, if for nothing else, for the ability to run windows (God forbid you ever need to, but it would be good to have). I think you will be dissapointed in a year or so if you go with the powerbook. Macbook is the new computer, stuff (not necessarily software) is coming out for the macbook, not powerbook.

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How badly do you need the laptop??

 

If I were you I would go with the Intel too... that way you are guaranteed that it will be supported for a minimum of three years to come!

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very ture, but the truth of the mater is i have $1000, i don't have $2000

 

If we are talking about what is on the market now then even $2000 will not buy you a macbookpro. Even with the educational discount you will not get out of the door for less than $2500 and it cost me about $2800 for a 2Ghz with a case, a mouse, and applecare using the educational discount. If you have $1000 then the only thing you can really afford is a refurbished ibook. I don't know what you are doing but most people overestimate thier power needs and you will most likely be very happy with a 14" ibook.

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Actually....

 

MacBook Pro (Education Discount) $1799

Tax: ~$100 (Indiana 6%)

Applecare will set you back about $239

 

I would wait until the new iBook (MacBook) replacement comes out. If you don't need it now, by all means, wait.

 

That said, my MacBook Pro is amazing! I wouldn't trade this thing for my iBook anyday. Amazing machine it is...Intel is the way to go.

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You could also buy the refurbished macbookpro for less than $2500. So I was wrong. It really doesn't make any difference though. You can't buy a macbookpro for $1000 and unless they decide to make the macbooks cheaper than the current ibooks then you will not be able to buy a macbook for $1000. Plus the first thing I said is "if we are talking about what is on the market now" meaning I wasn't including the yet to be released macbook. So if you want a computer for under $1000 and you want it now the only thing you could afford is a refurbished ibook.

 

Now if you can wait then I would say take your $1000 put in an ing direct account [good interest plus it's harder to spend] and start putting a little bit of money in there every week. Maybe sell some stuff or do something that can generate a little more money than you ussually get. Put everything in your account and probably by the time you are able to raise the $500 or so that you will need for a macbook with tax and applecare it will be out.

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There is rumor that April 19th (tommorow) Apple will introduce the Macbook.

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whatever you do, don't take sporn's advice. He is affected easily by his parents' and math teacher's opinions, so he is very biased.

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whatever you do, don't take sporn's advice. He is affected easily by his parents' and math teacher's opinions, so he is very biased.

 

well actually he is leaning towards intel as well, and at least you didn't call him porn.

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whatever you do, don't take sporn's advice. He is affected easily by his parents' and math teacher's opinions, so he is very biased.

 

well actually he is leaning towards intel as well, and at least you didn't call him porn.

Yes I am now a changed man :D and I no longer hate intel.

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whatever you do, don't take sporn's advice. He is affected easily by his parents' and math teacher's opinions, so he is very biased.

Dude, why are you being such a prick? It is always: "Your dock is too big, You are swayed by friends and family, don't take cfsporns advice, and you are always calling me 'Porn' (which you have fixed). Everywhere I post you end up insulting me. I no longer hate intel, I wish I had a Mac Book Pro, and all that. I am a bit annoyed that you do not see that.

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to reply to the original post, you're right the intel processors do not have a vector processing unit which is what made the PowerPC chips run faster with audio and video, and there will be a difference in performance if you get an Intel mac, MacAddict reviewed both the Intel iMac and the MacBook Pro and both saw drops in speed when doing things with audio and video.

 

one thing though, I thought that I heard somewhere that Intel was working on something like the vector processing unit, but I can't be sure about that or where I read that, possibly just wishful thinking

 

idk what to tell you the Intel stuff is cool and I've been telling everyone to wait to get one, but they do not and I don't think they will anytime soon have something to the equivalent of the vector processing unit so if that's your only selling point, I guess...don't get an Intel mac (it's to bad you don't have $3,300 then I would for sure advise you to get a G5

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to reply to the original post, you're right the intel processors do not have a vector processing unit which is what made the PowerPC chips run faster with audio and video, and there will be a difference in performance if you get an Intel mac, MacAddict reviewed both the Intel iMac and the MacBook Pro and both saw drops in speed when doing things with audio and video.

 

one thing though, I thought that I heard somewhere that Intel was working on something like the vector processing unit, but I can't be sure about that or where I read that, possibly just wishful thinking

 

idk what to tell you the Intel stuff is cool and I've been telling everyone to wait to get one, but they do not and I don't think they will anytime soon have something to the equivalent of the vector processing unit so if that's your only selling point, I guess...don't get an Intel mac (it's to bad you don't have $3,300 then I would for sure advise you to get a G5

 

http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/core.ars/4

 

They do have vector processing units. They're called MMX, SSE/2/3. (Again, people need to read up once and a while). While not as good as Altivec, they do the job. Heck, HandBrake on the Core Duo spanks the G4/G5 decidedly. Altivec is awesome, but it shouldn't be a main selling point. Unless you're doing tons of Photoshop work, then the Core processor is just fine. And if you're looking to use Pro Tools or any heavy apps, I'd stay away from the iBook. The 4200 rpm drive will kill you. I'd say wait and save your money...if you're going to do audio and video work, get a 7200 rpm hard disk. That is a big handicap right there.

 

More information: It wasn't Altivec that makes the G5 faster..MacWorld thought it may be a bug in the software:

 

http://www.macworld.com/2006/01/features/i...test1/index.php

 

The Core Duo was still faster in most tests.

 

Some more Core Duo tests:

 

http://www.barefeats.com/imcd.html

 

So the short answer is YES! Intel does have a vector processing unit.

 

Again "Some notable modern examples are Intel's SSE and the PowerPC-related AltiVec (also known as VMX). [16]"

 

Taken from here

 

Search Google for "Intel Vector Processing Unit"

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The main problem with ilife is that some of the things it does aren't multithreaded so they only use one of the Core Duo's cores. If it used both it would more closely match what apple says it it's relative performance to the G5 imac. Even so the core duo is faster in ilife. Note that the Powerbook will be even slower than the imac g5. ;)

http://anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2685&p=12

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Amazing what happens when you read a little...I'm pretty impressed with the performance of the Core Duo and look forward to keeping this one for years to come! I wonder when they'll release the MacBook (iBook). This may be the perfect machine for him.

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I AM NOT TO BLAME FOR THIS AT ALL SO DON"T FLAME ME FOR THE BELLOW POST!

He got a 17 in PowerBook that is brand new. I had nothing to do with this decision.

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Nice! Rumors are that the 17" MacBook Pro may be released next week at NAB.

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(Again, people need to read up once and a while)

 

hey now, I do my reading, and plenty of it. Although my memory isn't that great, but I could have sworn somewhere, MacAddict said that Intel did not have a good equivalent of the Altivec. O, well, but most video/audio stuff isn't universal yet so waiting would have been a good idea, but he got a new 17" powerbook so this is pretty much a worthless sugestion now. I thought he said he only had $1000? The 17" powerbook does have Firewire 800 though something I see as painfully missing from the MacBook Pro's. I mean Firewire is their own invention! If I'm not mistaken though the firewire card is a little big so it would have been bigger to keep it. However, this computer is suppose to be for people who want some power in their laptop, a really think MacBook would be cool and not having Firewire 800 on that would have made sense.

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I have that MacAddict...issue 109: Sept. 2005 page 33 talks about SSE and it's PowerPC equivalent: AltiVec.

 

And to quote "SSE (SSE3 in its current implementation) is generally considered to be inferior to PowerPC's SIMD technology, AltiVec-but not by a whole hell of a lot."

 

I apologize for the reading comment, but do check your facts before you post. We live in the age of Google, it takes a few seconds to fact check. I'm not putting you down or being mean, but it's spreading FUD. I hope I didn't come off as condescending and I just wanted to keep things straight.

 

Now that Final Cut Studio and Aperture are Universal now, won't be long till all the Apple apps are there. The thing I find strange is that my university still uses OS9 and Photoshop..whatever version runs under 9.

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Who got a 17" powerbook?

Max.

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Wait for the macbook; you cant get a powerbook for $1,000 unless on ebay. macbook pro is same price as powerbook. the polycarbonate macbook should be cheaper, and if you do not need something from the pro market, dont get it. the powerbook will get more obselete by the day. People say that apps arent made for intel, but they will be! You can get one now, run in rosetta and when the apps are out, you will be ahead of the clock! you can look at the powerbook guys and say "Im faster nanananana" "Im going to zoom right by" Many people are not getting intel now but they have to realize for any speed in the future, they will need intel. eventually, you will need to buy intel whether it is now or in 5 years you will have to buy intel. why not buy now and be ahead of the revoloution?

 

Man, that was a hard Question. Everybody is fighting on such a small answer.(or Big one :D )

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Actually....

 

MacBook Pro (Education Discount) $1799

Tax: ~$100 (Indiana 6%)

Applecare will set you back about $239

 

I would wait until the new iBook (MacBook) replacement comes out. If you don't need it now, by all means, wait.

 

That said, my MacBook Pro is amazing! I wouldn't trade this thing for my iBook anyday. Amazing machine it is...Intel is the way to go.

 

A MBP for $1799!!! It costs about £1700 over here in VAT land.

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