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Is there a free excel alternative out there? I really hate office and the last remaining part of it that I have yet to erase is microsoft excel. Thank you

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Frankly I'm waiting for iWork to have an alternative!

 

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Frankly I'm waiting for iWork to have an alternative!

I don't think we will see an iWorks spreadsheet. MS has committed to Office for the Mac for the next 5 years. I think that MS would have only made that commitment on the understanding that Apple isn't going to release a product that compete directly with Office.

 

Currently iWork is Keynote and Pages, while Keynote is similar to PowerPoint, Pages is more of a Word Processor crossed with a Page layout software for home users, it's not a replacement for MS Word for many people. If Apple released a competitor to MS Office (or even half a suit) that would cut in MS's sales of Office and they may decide to kill Office for the Mac. What happened after Apple released Safari?

 

I think a Spreadsheet app in iWorks may make iWork "too complete". Office for the Mac is important to Apple, as it means Mac user have 100% compatibility with Window Office users.

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Frankly I'm waiting for iWork to have an alternative!

I don't think we will see an iWorks spreadsheet. MS has committed to Office for the Mac for the next 5 years. I think that MS would have only made that commitment on the understanding that Apple isn't going to release a product that compete directly with Office.

 

Currently iWork is Keynote and Pages, while Keynote is similar to PowerPoint, Pages is more of a Word Processor crossed with a Page layout software for home users, it's not a replacement for MS Word for many people. If Apple released a competitor to MS Office (or even half a suit) that would cut in MS's sales of Office and they may decide to kill Office for the Mac. What happened after Apple released Safari?

 

I think a Spreadsheet app in iWorks may make iWork "too complete". Office for the Mac is important to Apple, as it means Mac user have 100% compatibility with Window Office users.

iWork is 10000000000000000x better than office. Except for a lack of a spreadsheet.

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iWork is 10000000000000000x better than office. Except for a lack of a spreadsheet.

...not if you need to exchange files with Office users and need 100% compatibility with MS Word. Also, while I haven't use Pages much, I think Word is a better word processor if you are writing on very long complex document like a thesis. Word is a word processor, while Pages is word processor cross page layout.

As I said I don't have much experience with Pages, so I'd be interested in if people have switched from Pages from Word, and what "type" of word processor user you are.

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iWork is 10000000000000000x better than office. Except for a lack of a spreadsheet.

...not if you need to exchange files with Office users and need 100% compatibility with MS Word. Also, while I haven't use Pages much, I think Word is a better word processor if you are writing on very long complex document like a thesis. Word is a word processor, while Pages is word processor cross page layout.

As I said I don't have much experience with Pages, so I'd be interested in if people have switched from Pages from Word, and what "type" of word processor user you are.

Most of the time I write papers for school. And I have full office compatibility too. I love it so much. The interface in word is horrible and busy, while Pages is slick and clean.

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Most of the time I write papers for school. And I have full office compatibility too. I love it so much. The interface in word is horrible and busy, while Pages is slick and clean.

 

Pages seems great and has very good MS Word compatibility, I guess my point is that Pages is not a complete replacement for Word, it different kind of app.

I only brought Word/Pages in to this thread, to say that I don't Apple come out with a FULL Office suit.

 

Back to the topic of this thread: I've used OpenOffice under Win but not Mac, the spreadsheet is good, I don't think as good as Excel, but for most people it will be fine, being open source you can try it free so you may as well give it a try.

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Pages seems great and has very good MS Word compatibility, I guess my point is that Page as complete replacement for Word, it different kind of app.

I only brought Word/Pages in to this thread, to say that I don't Apple come out with a FULL Office suit.

 

Back to the topic of this thread: I've used OpenOffice under Win but not Mac, the spreadsheet is good, I don't think as good as Excel, but for most people it will be fine, being open source you can try it free so you may as well give it a try.

 

I've noticed the compatibility performance is on a template by template project by project basis. When Pages exports come out wrong in MS Word I often find it tricky to edit them in Word to look as I want them to, but that may be because my highest advancment in Word was 8th grade computer basics. All lot of it has to do with what media is embedded into the Pages file. I usually don't export into .doc with the media; I jsut add it in once it's in Word. Back to the topic at hand... Can you download the spreadsheet program of open office without the rest of its programs? I'd like to check that out. I think the more advanced virtualization becomes the less there will be a need for MS Office development on the Mac. Once virtualization matures a little (hopefully it will be built into Leopard) Apple will be able to start stepping on Microsofts toes and pump out a sweet spreadsheet .app. I would imagine compatiblity between Excel and non-Excel spreadsheet databases would do very well.

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I've noticed the compatibility performance is on a template by template project by project basis. When Pages exports come out wrong in MS Word I often find it tricky to edit them in Word to look as I want them to, but that may be because my highest advancment in Word was 8th grade computer basics. All lot of it has to do with what media is embedded into the Pages file. I usually don't export into .doc with the media; I jsut add it in once it's in Word.

You're talking about using both Word and Pages on your Mac. Do you think you could use just Pages if you were exchanging lots of docs with a Word using colleague?

Back to the topic at hand... Can you download the spreadsheet program of open office without the rest of its programs? I'd like to check that out.
As I've previously said I've not used OO on the Mac only Win and Linux, although I think you need to download the whole of OO, but I think it's worth it.
I think the more advanced virtualization becomes the less there will be a need for MS Office development on the Mac. Once virtualization matures a little (hopefully it will be built into Leopard) Apple will be able to start stepping on Microsofts toes and pump out a sweet spreadsheet .app. I would imagine compatiblity between Excel and non-Excel spreadsheet databases would do very well.

I'm not sure what you mean here. How is virtualization going to help Apple write a spreadsheet apps for the Mac? Virtualization is going to allow Windows apps to run under OS X without any extra software. There is no technical reason why Apple would wait for Leopard for release a spreadsheet, although there are some business ones.

 

I don't think Apple wants to step on MS's toes, if MS dropped Office for the Mac, Mac users loss complete Office compatibility with Windows users. Think about the cheers when Roz Ho (Head of the MBU) announced that MS were committed to Mac Office for the next 5 years, an Office Demo come on new Macs, Apple likes Office.

 

I don't think Apple wants to step on MS's toes, if MS dropped Office for the Mac, Mac users loss complete Office compatability with Windows users. Think about the cheers when Roz Ho (MBU) annoused that MS were comited to Mac Office for the next 5 years, an Office Demo come on new Macs, Apple likes Office.

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I don't think Apple wants to step on MS's toes, if MS dropped Office for the Mac, Mac users loss complete Office compatibility with Windows users. Think about the cheers when Roz Ho (Head of the MBU) announced that MS were committed to Mac Office for the next 5 years, an Office Demo come on new Macs, Apple likes Office.

I guess I was just thinking that Apple and Microsoft had an agrrement that Apple wouldn't make a full office sweet in turn for Microsoft's development of MS Office, and I thought that if virtualization became more mainstream Microsoft would cease development of Office for Mac and then Apple would come out with something to compete. What I didn't think of is how much Apple would still need them for compatibility and... ummm... pretty much I was wrong. My bad.

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I've noticed the compatibility performance is on a template by template project by project basis. When Pages exports come out wrong in MS Word I often find it tricky to edit them in Word to look as I want them to, but that may be because my highest advancment in Word was 8th grade computer basics. All lot of it has to do with what media is embedded into the Pages file. I usually don't export into .doc with the media; I jsut add it in once it's in Word.

You're talking about using both Word and Pages on your Mac. Do you think you could use just Pages if you were exchanging lots of docs with a Word using colleague?

Back to the topic at hand... Can you download the spreadsheet program of open office without the rest of its programs? I'd like to check that out.
As I've previously said I've not used OO on the Mac only Win and Linux, although I think you need to download the whole of OO, but I think it's worth it.
I think the more advanced virtualization becomes the less there will be a need for MS Office development on the Mac. Once virtualization matures a little (hopefully it will be built into Leopard) Apple will be able to start stepping on Microsofts toes and pump out a sweet spreadsheet .app. I would imagine compatiblity between Excel and non-Excel spreadsheet databases would do very well.

I'm not sure what you mean here. How is virtualization going to help Apple write a spreadsheet apps for the Mac? Virtualization is going to allow Windows apps to run under OS X without any extra software. There is no technical reason why Apple would wait for Leopard for release a spreadsheet, although there are some business ones.

 

I don't think Apple wants to step on MS's toes, if MS dropped Office for the Mac, Mac users loss complete Office compatibility with Windows users. Think about the cheers when Roz Ho (Head of the MBU) announced that MS were committed to Mac Office for the next 5 years, an Office Demo come on new Macs, Apple likes Office.

 

I don't think Apple wants to step on MS's toes, if MS dropped Office for the Mac, Mac users loss complete Office compatability with Windows users. Think about the cheers when Roz Ho (MBU) annoused that MS were comited to Mac Office for the next 5 years, an Office Demo come on new Macs, Apple likes Office.

Yes I feel fine exchanging docs with the millions of sheep who wallow in the crap that is office. And I wish Apple had the courage to step on microsoft's toes with cleats! They plug office all the time while never giving iWork any time.

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spreadsheet.google.com

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I guess I was just thinking that Apple and Microsoft had an agrrement that Apple wouldn't make a full office sweet in turn for Microsoft's development of MS Office, and I thought that if virtualization became more mainstream Microsoft would cease development of Office for Mac and then Apple would come out with something to compete. What I didn't think of is how much Apple would still need them for compatibility and... ummm... pretty much I was wrong. My bad.

 

Does anyone actually think Apple's marketshare scares Microsoft? And you can take that regarding computers or the subject at hand of Office vs. iWork.

 

Apple could release iWork 3.0 tomorrow that was indesputibly "better" than Office (hypothetical; obviously there's no "better" but just assume for argument's sake there was) and it would not even dent Office sales. At worst it would dent Office for mac sales. And quite simply Microsoft would barely notice.

 

I'll add my voice supporting open office or neo office, as have been mentioned in this thread. I've used open office and it works pretty well. Neo office I have not personally used but it's supposed to be based on the open source open office but with a mac look and feel. If I didn't have Office for mac (bought it before iWork was out) I would probably have neo office now.

 

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I have been using Neo Office for the spreadsheet, but I have found that it starts to run really slow if I try to do anything too complex, so I have moved back to ms office :(

I'm waiting for an apple alternative - I was using appleworks but it stopped working lol

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Great post gekko.

 

One way in which Office will always be "better" than iWorks is Office will have 100% compatible with Office, the Windows version. I've always thought this is the most important feature of Mac Office, we all know that people outside of MS can make great software, but only MS make Office and it is (Win) Office that 90% of world use.

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I've found Excel to be excellent. If you already have it, why would you want to replace it? If you're only doing it for the philosophy of "sticking it to the man," you'll probably find yourself wasting a lot of your own time trying to use something new. In that case, you're only "sticking it to yourself." Sorry, but I don't buy into the "anti-MS everything" mentality. Use what works well, and Excel works well. I've used it in typical work situations and in a graduate level stats class. It handled everything I threw at it. If you can find something better, go for it, otherwise stick with Excel.

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After several months, I am still very happy with iWork and NeoOffice. I so rarly get spreadsheets that it does not matter if NeoOffice is slow. Just as long as it is not MS. However the MS office icons do look good. Also I am in school and I have 100% compatibility with MS office for windows. I chose NeoOffice over OpenOffice because OpenOffice requires x11 and NeoOffice does not.

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If you only have OS X, NeoOffice is great, but if you've got a spare mac or some old PC hardware laying around, just go on ahead and install Ubuntu on it. It comes with OpenOffice (looks better than the OS X version) and unlike OS X, you don't have to launch X11 because Ubuntu uses the X window manager by default anyway. I like OS X, but sometimes linux is easier (I know, seems backwards)

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Although Apple may not want to step on MS toes in regards to Excel for Mac, that doesn't stop them from releasing a rumored 'Numbers' app, that is less full featured than Excel, but is easier to use, and is targeted more at Prosumers and Small Biz.

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